Just another damn group blog!
Below I’ve got eight topics. As always, respond to what catches your eye and ignore what doesn’t.
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1. “NO ROOM FOR MEDIOCRITY”
I pulled this from Galley Cat. Literary Agent Bridget Wagner had this to say about what editors want:
“I think editors are looking for game changing books — truly brilliant innovators that see the world (business, science, politics, history, etc) in a new way and who can tell stories in the process. And, they’re looking for authors with built-in media connections. As for what I look for but rarely find — I always have trouble finding a voice that grabs me and pulls me in. The voice that won’t let you go is so rare. And of course, I’m searching for non-American writers who can give us fiction and non-fiction in a fresh, eye-opening, more global way.“
So basically, they’re looking for writers to reinvent the wheel. Oh, and make it look all sparkly too. ![]()
What say you?
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2. THIS KID ROCKS!
Listen to this 13-year-old boy’s rendition of Lady Gaga’s Paparazzi. It’s incredible.
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3. MY OBSESSION
I have a huge number of DVDs and I take extra special care of them. I don’t like fingerprints on my
movie cases or—GOD FORBID—on the actual DVDs. Incidentally, the oil from your hands DOES do damage to the disks if they’re not cleaned properly …. but I digress. Everyone in my house knows I’m like the Soup Nazi when it comes to my DVD collection. If you borrow a DVD from me, please remember I’m not Blockbuster. You don’t have a week to keep it. I want it back that night, in the same condition. Forget about anyone outside my house borrowing my DVDs. It’ll never happen. Last time I did that, the thing was returned with pizza stains on the cover. The disk was scratched, whereas, when I lent it to them it was in MINT condition. Sooooo, as you can see, I am very anal about my DVDs. I am obsessive with my books too, but not nearly as much.
Likewise, my gynecologist has an INSANE doll collection in her office. They’re all over the place and if anyone touches them, she has a royal fit. Do you have a collection of something dear to you? If so, what is it, and are you as anal about your collection as I am about my movies?
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4. OLDIES BUT GOODIES
After decades of hearing about The Thorn Birds mini-series, I finally rented it from Netflix and I’m really not too sure how I feel about it. I knew the conflict centered
around an ambitious priest who fell in love with a woman. And from what I remember, the book and movie were pretty controversial when they first came out. The Church attacked both relentlessly. However, what I didn’t know was that Father Ralph (the romantic hero) was a
constant in the heroine’s life, (Meggie) all the way back to when she was a child. In fact, he was a father figure to her, in every sense of the word.
Initially, it felt kinda icky when I watched those early scenes of them together. While nothing remotely sexual was going on, I just kept thinking about what would happen between them when she grew up. Anyway, I got over it eventually and came to see them as star-crossed soul mates. The story drew me in and to my surprise, Richard Chamberlain (not one of my favorite actors, btw)
was excellent in it!! Rachel Ward was okay … but I do think if they’d've gone with Jane Seymour as they originally intended, the character would have had more depth.
Have you ever seen this movie or read the book? What did you think about it?
The following clip is one of my favorite scenes. After many years of waiting, Meggie and Father Ralph FINALLY do the deed. I love how he goes chasing after her on the beach.
As an aside, I also re-watched another oldie-but-goodie. Strictly Ballroom has aged well and if you haven’t seen this little gem, I strongly suggest you either buy it, or put it in your Netflix queue. This Australian import combines dance, drama, romance and comedy brilliantly. The following is my favorite scene because it’s when the hero finally realizes he’s in love with the heroine.
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5. YOUR WIP
Nathan Bransford posed a good question: “How long Is It Taking You?” I for one have been working on the same book for little over a year. But, but, but, I was also writing two others at the same time. So how long has it been for you with your current WIP? What’s the shortest time it’s taken you to write a book, and what’s the longest?
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6. THE END OF PUBLISHING
Check out this fascinating use of words by PenguinGroupUSA:
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7. FORBIDDEN LOVE
Instead of veggie porn, I’ve decided to do cuteness. Who says cats and dogs can’t be friends?
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8. MULTI-TALENTED?
We all know most everyone who visits this place is a writer, but what else are you good at? Me? I’m a great cook and I can paint too. I dabble in acrylics and oils. Watercolor painting drives me bananas. Can’t work with it. It’s too hard.
So what else can you do besides write? Can you sing? Dance? Are you brilliant with numbers? Are you good with cars? Or what about photography?
Raine
May 12th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
1. What say you?
I guess I could understand an editor wanting those things. But are they really expecting to find it on a regular basis?
2. Saw that kid on tv. So very talented!
4. Am old enough to have seen it when it was first broadcast (taped it at the time, still have it). It was THE romantic movie then. I read the book afterward, & frankly liked the film better. Thought Ward was pretty, but lightweight in the acting department (but then, she was surrounded by a ton of old-fashioned, professional talent). I always had a thing for Chamberlain, thought he was a gifted actor (still do). And yes, I loved the bittersweet romance of it all.
But honestly? IMHO, the BEST thing about that film was Barbara Stanwyck in the Mary Carson role. Testing the priest, taunting him when he remains flaccid—and especially when she turns on Ralph, practically spitting the words at him, that despite her advanced age, inside “I am still young. I still feel. I still want. I still dream. And I still love you. Oh God, how much!”
Her vehemence made my jaw drop. And dammit, that acting was a little TOO good. I could swear that was Stanwyck voicing some very real resentment about her age.
(yes, I remember the words, lol–sorry to write a book here!).
5. What’s the shortest time it’s taken you to write a book
With revisions, about a week and a half on a novella.
and what’s the longest?
Been picking at the scab on the current wip for over a year & a half.
7. So cute, lol.
8. Can sketch. Paint. Dabble in photography. Play a wicked miniature golf course, write a bit of music, and used to play a mean violin.
MelB
May 13th, 2010 at 5:37 am
1. I don’t know. Some writers are brilliant enough to see the current market and write something that borders the line and brings something new. A voice that pulls one in is, well, subjective.
But the publishers control what comes out of that market. So maybe if they decide only books that are innovative with a new world view WITH a voice that pulls everyone in (Whether or not they like/love the story) is going to be published they’ll see MORE of something different coming in through the queue. The truth is lots of authors write something new and innovative, but how often are those efforts allowed past the gates? “Great writing but there is no market for this book” ring any bells? It’s out there, but someone has to take a risk to publish it.
2. He is brilliant. Just seen that video yesterday. I have to say his rendition is just as good as Lady Gaga’s own acoustic version. (Little known fact: Lady Gaga is fierce when it’s just her voice and her piano.)
5. My La Nora answer, “It takes as long as the book takes.” lol. It really does depend on how well do I know the characters before I sit down to write the story. How long has the story been in my head too. So shortest time? 16 days for 50k. Versus 2 years of writing and stopping, writing again and stopping again. At some point I got to the end. To be honest I prefer a shorter time with the first draft, but all the time in the world to edit and revise. Better book in the end.
6. Whoever thought of that idea is brilliant. Whoever actually sat down to write it is even more brilliant. How many people could write something in reverse?
8. Sadly I have no outside talents, but it has more to do with a crappy attention span than lack of creative talent. Yet if I do decide on something it’ll probably be photography. There’s just something about capturing a moment that seduces me.
BernardL
May 13th, 2010 at 10:11 am
I read where agents are looking for fresh voices all the time but they search for them with the same cliche ridden minds.
That kid makes Lady Gaga sound like kaka.
I raised my kids with one piece of advise on lending – never lend anything that means anything to you.
I’m old enough to have tried watching the Thorn Birds. I tried but failed. It may be a guy thing but knowing an actor is gay in real life (any guy who tells you he didn’t know it before the French magazine outed Chamberlain in 1989 is a liar) it’s extremely difficult for me to get into a movie where he plays a woman’s romantic interest. Plus, that interplay between the priest and little girl… eeeeeeuuuuuuhhhhh.
Dennie
May 13th, 2010 at 10:22 am
#1 I wanna ask her… “how that’s working for ya…” Hey more power to her if she can find what she’s looking for in a writer
#2 that’s pretty cool–it’s funny watching the faces of the kids behind him–most are bored out of their mind even though they probably can’t do it
#3 those are massive amounts of DVDs–I have no room to say anything as I have as many books–but mine are all hidden lest my dh get the eBay bug up his butt again and tries to see stuff.
#4 so not a Thornbirds fan, maybe ’cause my mother watched it so much when I was a kid that I just can’t bring myself to sit down and watch it
#6 haven’t seen STRICKLY BALLROOM in years and I really did like it. I’ll have to look for it
#8 good at or do… I don’t know that I am good at anything–I can knit, sew and hot glue like crazy–whether it’s good is a relative term…LOL
Sara
May 14th, 2010 at 9:43 am
4. I swiped my mom’s copy of The Thorn Birds when I was in the fifth grade. For some reason the nun teaching my Catholic school religion class was particularly aghast when she caught me reading it during her lecture in class…
Bernita
May 14th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
#1. I think they lie.
#5.About 6 weeks once for a first draft.
#8. Not talented but competent in a lot of the usual: good but plain cook, made bread, jams and jellies, relishes, ketchup; a solid gardener; sewed kids clothes that didn’t fall apart and Hallow’een costumes; sang in choirs…
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Raine,
Impossible. Like I said in my response to your weekly post. There is nothing new under the sun.
OMG, yes!!!!! I thought I was the only one who saw that. She wasn’t acting. Miss Stanwyck was having a very candid moment. I actually got tears in my eyes from watching that scene. She really moved me because I knew that was Barbara talking and not Mary!
I have never written anything in under three months … except the nano book, which doesn’t really count because I had to rewrite the darned thing. All that nano writing was crap.
I think I could’ve been a better artist had I applied myself. But I didn’t really have a passion for drawing. It was just something I was good at, but not something that I excelled in. Same with singing. I can sing and had I applied myself there, I may have been better, but again, the passion just wasn’t there.
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Mel,
Exactly. It’s all subjective.
Right! We want different, but not too different. We want a strong voice, but not too strong. We want innovation, but not a lot, just a dash.
I didn’t even know who the heck Lady Gaga was up until a couple months ago. LOL. I’ve heard her version, which was okay, but I think I like this kid’s better. If he recorded that in a studio with a smoother piano and better acoustics, I would definitely buy it. He’s definitely going places.
I prefer this too, not that I’ve ever done it that way. I’m too damn anal. I wish I had more discipline to just leave sh*t alone and go on to the next scene/chapter. Instead, I obsess too much.
Brilliant indeed. I wouldn’t have the patience, or the foresight to do something like that. I was very impressed.
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Bernard,
Thank you. Like I said above, they want different … but, but, but … It’s gotten so I don’t even listen to it anymore. Just write what you want.
Couldn’t agree more.
I also have trouble with gay actors as hetero romantic leads sometimes. Like when it’s obvious that they are acting. And when they’re more effeminate than their leading lady. But I will tell you, Rupert Everett was excellent in Stage Beauty, Cemetery Man and The Importance of Being Earnest. Then there’s Neil Patrick Harris’ performance in The Wedding Dress and How I Met Your Mother. Both actors disappeared in the roles. I think Chamberlain did a good job too. If I hadn’t known he was gay, I wouldn’t have been able to tell from his performance in The Thorn Birds. He fooled me in the role. Rock Hudson COMPLETELY fooled me. I had the biggest crush on him when I was a kid.
I know what you mean about ick factor with the whole father-figure thing, but I pushed it aside. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have been able to enjoy the movie.
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Dennie,
I think all this stuff about no mediocrity is subjective. It’s one of those, “I know what I like when I see it.” There’s no set formula or routine. It just is what it is. All in the eye of the beholder.
That’s not a pic of MY collection, though I will say, it’s pretty close. LOL!
It annoyed me when I was growing up because it always seemed to be ON. And since Richard Chamberlain never floated my proverbial boat, I avoided it. However, after watching it, I can see what all the fuss was about. It was a great, tragic story of forbidden love. A bit depressing too.
I’ll never get tired of that movie. It’s got a bit of everything in it.
I tried to knit when I was a kid, and I just couldn’t get it for some reason. Crocheting came easier for me.
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Sara,
I’m surprised an adult epic story like that held your attention at that age. Wow.
Tanya
May 14th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Bernita,
Like saying they want different when all they ever really buy is the tried and true and maybe a few ridiculous mashups?
I’m a fantastic cook, BUT I could never, ever, ever bake breads and desserts. I always wind up burning everything. I don’t know what’s wrong exactly. Me, bread/cake/muffins and the oven don’t get along.
I think maybe it’s because bread is so fickle and the stove basically does it’s own thing. When I’m cooking on top of the stove, or when I’m baking meat or something, I have more control. Breads and deserts are just too iffy. The margin for error is too small.
Raine
May 14th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
It’s interesting…I didn’t get the ‘ick’ factor with the priest/child relationship. Maybe because I’d read it, & it was made clear that his feelings were quite pure until she came of age, and partly because her mother ignored & had no affection for her at all.
OMG, yes!!!!! I thought I was the only one who saw that. She wasn’t acting. Miss Stanwyck was having a very candid moment. I actually got tears in my eyes from watching that scene. She really moved me because I knew that was Barbara talking and not Mary!
OMG, THANK YOU!!! It wasn’t just my imagination all this time!!
Simona Taylor
May 16th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
#1 – They keep saying they want something fresh and different, but then demand that our stories fit their “model”, i.e. must conform to the same old crap readers keep buying over and over again. I don’t now if I’ll ever have the courage to write anything radically different again. I’ll be too afraid to waste my time.
#4 loved the novel, Thorn Birds. It was one of those books that made me want to be a writer. I think I watched the series with my grandmother! (Embarrassing)
#5 – my fastest novel was probably about 5 months in the making. Then there’s the one I started in 1993 or so I want to get back to this year!
Simona Taylor
May 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Oh, and for the record, I can’t stand Richard Chaimberlain. He looks plastic, like he isn’t real. Creepy. And I am NOT a fan of cleft chins…
*shudder*