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Sometimes I’m a little surprised by the things in this business that surprise me. That can be a good thing. It means I’m still learning. It’s the things I learn that throw me for a loop occasionally.
I had a rather strange conversation with an e-pubbed friend of mine (who shall remain nameless) a few weeks back. With the help of good ol’ Google Alerts, my writing friend discovered that a particular pirate site (which shall remain nameless) was generously offering—
Not one…not two…
But SIX of her e-books for free download.
Her most RECENT books, I might add.
Naturally, needing whatever money she could earn, she sent in the obligatory take-down notices. She also notified her publisher and included a list of many other e-books by that publisher she saw for download there.
I’m going to paraphrase the response from a VIP at that house to (hopefully) save my buddy a little grief. She forwarded the email to me, and it went something like this:
“Ah, well, thanks for the heads-up. We could try to contact them, but dealing with this site can be a little dicey.”
Um…er…
In what is apparently my naiveté, I was a little surprised at the attitude. The list of pirated books was not only lengthy, but included some well-known authors, and the illegal downloads would have amounted to SERIOUSLY big bucks.
And let’s be honest. Most of the copyright infringement notices sent out by authors are frequently ignored. And I don’t personally know many authors who can afford legal muscle to handle this crap. I know several who won’t even bother sending notices, saying it isn’t worth the time.
Naturally, no one expects publishers to spend all their resources dealing with it either (although statutory damages for copyright infringement can amount to over $150,000 for each act).
But has it really come to something close to intimidation? Indifference?
As much revenue as authors are losing, publishing houses must be losing more to the sites that refuse to be reasonable. And some of these houses do have the muscle.
Have we all just come to regard extreme piracy as something to suck up?

p.s.~~
…after six weeks of her weekly notifications, the site finally removed my friend’s ebooks. they have since been reposted…
Melissa Blue
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 am
Unfortunately, yes. I’ve yet to see the government do a big crack down on sites that pirate books. I think it has a lot to do with Intellectual Property not being respected. Now if these sites somehow cracked into the publishers accounts and stole money I bet it’d be a different story.
Charlene Teglia
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 am
I really don’t know why publishers aren’t fighting this, just leaving it up to author’s to send takedown notices which are either ignored, or acted on only to have the material re-uploaded. There’s even a legitimate site that sells one of my ebooks that was previously published, I had rights reverted and resold it and the new publisher won’t get that site to stop selling the old version which they are not paying me OR the current publisher royalties for. It’s maddening.
It’s also part of the reason I’m seriously considering doing something I can actually be certain of getting paid for in the future instead of writing books.
Lynn
January 22nd, 2010 at 7:03 am
Although it takes hours every week and is aggravating beyond the extreme, I still report files and bootleggers whenever they violate my copyright to the site admins where they do it. I also send heads-up to writer friends when I see their work being pirated somewhere.
Publishers don’t seem to care at all (could be that they don’t have the time/staff to deal with copyright violations on P2P sites.) P2P sites have covered themselves legally so they don’t care because they have no liability. Obviously the bootleggers don’t care, so if the author does nothing, the piracy goes unchallenged and I think this encourages the bootlegger to keep doing it.
I don’t think the solution is to suck it up, but it’s a battle we can’t win, so I understand completely when an author gives up and stops trying to fight it.
Bernita
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
“As much revenue as authors are losing, publishing houses must be losing more to the sites that refuse to be reasonable. And some of these houses do have the muscle.”
And that is what makes the indifference so difficult to understand.
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 8:37 am
Mel, I DON’T GET THAT.
You’re absolutely right. Whether it’s because writing is a form of ‘art’, or ebooks not taken seriously, I don’t know.
But technically, these people ARE stealing money. And let’s face it–most writers don’t make much as it is.
And why shouldn’t these sites be required to police what’s posted there?
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 am
Charli–you nailed it.
It seems like the publishers would have the resources to pursue it, but they don’t (or won’t).
One or two cases where a copyright infringement was proven, and wouldn’t they be more likely not to post these materials (or at least responsive to taking it down?).
And I don’t get why the new publisher wouldn’t pursue protecting their exclusive rights. What are the copyright laws for??
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 am
I think I must not understand the legalities, Lynn. I understand these sites don’t police everything people post there. And I understand that, even if they remove them, someone’s likely to put the download back up…
I don’t quite get the sites that simply refuse to respond to authors or make any attempt to remove copyrighted material even after they’ve been officially notified. If the author does their part, and the publishers’ legal teams know correct procedure has been followed, why aren’t they pushing the legal buttons?
With the popularity of ebooks on the rise, seems like they’d be losing more and more money. So as I said…I don’t get it.
Dennie ~
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 am
that pisses me off more than I can tell you
I have had weekly remove notices I have sent out to no avail.
I have created an account so I can folllow the links to the share site too and once a week I send out the nice letter my publisher created for this. Sure it goes rigth back up, but I know it’s a hassle for the person posting it so… :kissmyass:
the thing is, would these folks walk into a book store, take a book off the shelf and just walk right back out? If yes then I guess more power to ya ’cause you got balls the size of Montana, but by and large I’d bet they’d say, “no, never, that’s stealing” so why is this okay—it REALLY pisses me off!
Dennie ~
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am
ggrrr… hand hands are seriously shaking… it just makes me so dern mad. The thing is one paperback sold on eBay or handed around through friends (as I’ve heard as an argument why it’s not so bad) can only be read once at a time. One upload can go to hundreds of peeps w/i minutes.
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
C’mon, Dennie. Speak your mind, lol.
Yes, I have that nice letter too.
Thing is, some of the reputable sites are EAGER to remove unlawful material, and thank you for letting them know about it.
It’s the other ones (and we know who they are) that basically give you the finger and get away with it, and the reluctance of publishers to take action that puzzle me.
Why wouldn’t you be willing to protect your own investment?
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
And that is what makes the indifference so difficult to understand.
Exactly!
I’m willing to confess my ignorance. Maybe there’s something here I don’t understand…
Amie Stuart
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am
I still think part of the problem is these sites are overseas. Also now we have Torrent sites to deal with (which is probably MORE of a headache) and usenet??? UGh!!
BernardL
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 am
I’ve seen this, Raine. I’m glad you posted the publisher’s reaction. That’s the scary part. If they’re not upset at the revenue loss why would they even bother staying in the business? I know from my own experience their editors spend a lot of time on the product and I doubt they’d enjoy knowing their publishing house was allowing giveaways. With all the song and movie stealing I figured it wouldn’t be long before the whole scale e-book rip would get into full swing. Yikes!
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 am
I still think part of the problem is these sites are overseas. Also now we have Torrent sites to deal with
You’re probably right, Ames. And we all concede it’s not an easy problem to deal with.
But I’d still have to say it seems like all responsibility for trying to stop the bleeding is being put on the authors, who have little or no power to do so…
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I’m glad you posted the publisher’s reaction. That’s the scary part.
I honestly hesitated to post this, Bernard, simply because I didn’t want to hang my friend out to dry, or make it sound like the publisher was TOTALLY indifferent. But I’d guess this has happened to enough people that she wouldn’t stand out.
And yes, it was the publisher’s response that surprised me. This author has done pretty well by them.
Melissa Blue
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Exactly, Raine, which is why the whole argument “they wouldn’t have bought/read it anyway” doesn’t hold for me. At the end of the day they have a copy of the e-book they didn’t pay for.
Ann
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I wonder how the music industry is handling this, cause I know they are. Maybe the publishers should work together on this, more muscle and share the work. This whole thing sucks. I know one author who has decided to go almost entirely print.
Amie
January 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
A couple things you can do to help the “finding”
1. Set up a google alert for your name. Even these illegal downloads will show up
2. If you find an illegal download site and they have an RSS feed, add it to your google/blog reader that you use.
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Mel—yup.
A friendly exchange of something among friends is one thing. Rampant wholesale distribution is something else.
And yes, we’ve heard all the arguments…they wouldn’t have bought them anyway, writers should actually appreciate the free publicity, etc.
:kissmyass:
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm
I know one author who has decided to go almost entirely print.
Ann, the problem with that is that it looks pretty certain that, eventually, all print books will also be available as downloads.
And if push came to shove, they could always scan them. Making your own e-book isn’t difficult anymore.
Raine
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Good suggestions, Ames. Thanks! :XOXO:
Raine
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 am
And just as a footnote…
“Woman who downloaded 24 songs from file-sharing site lost her case in court…originally fined $2 million, the judge reduced it to $54K…she’s seeking to have it reduced even more, saying, ‘Whether it’s $2 million or $54,000, I’m a mom with four kids and one income…’”
Well yeah, toots. Imagine having money you’ve earned taken away from you like that…
Yes, it’s extreme. The record companies are obviously making an example of her.
Do I feel particularly sorry for her?
Lemme think about it… :wtfno:
Charlene Teglia
January 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 pm
See, I actually think that degree of fine is overkill; why not just bill her .99 each for the songs she downloaded? (What she’d pay through iTunes, etc.) I think if people started getting billed the cost of their illegal downloads, it’d be a good start. And it’s not like you can’t spend $7/mo at Rhapsody and listen all you want for that small fee. We need a similar solution for ebooks, I think. Like an ebook lending library or Netflix. So you can pay a minimal fee and read legitimately.
Raine
January 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Yes, it is overkill, Charli. And I have no doubt the case will go on and on until it’s reversed or brought down to reasonable levels. Previous settlements have resulted in small fines.
I just think it interesting to see action of ANY kind being taken.
Lynn
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
And it’s not like you can’t spend $7/mo at Rhapsody and listen all you want for that small fee. We need a similar solution for ebooks, I think. Like an ebook lending library or Netflix. So you can pay a minimal fee and read legitimately.
Yes. I would go for that. I think any author who’s been pirated a zillion times would.
cece
January 24th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
<< Like an ebook lending library or Netflix.
Some libraries have it. It's called Overdrive :D and you can DL audio books AND ebooks.
Sadly, pubs don't like it too much. Huh :cry:
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