Just another damn group blog!
Hope your week is going great. Mine has been straight up crazy in the time department. There’s just not enough of it these days. Those of you who are doing NANO, I hope you’re making progress. I’m not participating this year, but I’m with you in spirit!
Below I’ve got 8 topics. You know the drill. Respond to whatever tickles your fancy or make up your own topic. What’s going on in your writerly life these days? Is the WIP actually working? Or have you come to a screeching halt? Please share.
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1. PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES
Author Cory Doctorow recently blogged about the 17-year-old hero in his Young Adult
novel who did something that has a number of people frothing at the mouth. I’m talking angry letters and emails from a broad spectrum of folks—and it took him completely by surprise.
He writes:
“Marcus is 17, and the book is intended to be read by young teens or even precocious tweens (as well as adults). Naturally, I anticipated that some of the politics and technology in the story would upset my readers. And it’s true, a few of the reviewers were critical of this stuff. But not many, not overly so.
What I didn’t expect was that I would receive a torrent of correspondence and entreaties from teachers, students, parents, and librarians who were angry, worried, or upset that Marcus loses his virginity about two-thirds of the way through the book (secondarily, some of them were also offended by the fact that Marcus drinks a beer at one point, and a smaller minority wanted to know why and how Marcus could get away with talking back to his elders).”
He goes on to say the sex scene is kinda glossed over, ending with the hero’s girlfriend handing him a condom. The next scene opens in a sequel, with the teen hero reflecting on the experience and how much it wasn’t what he’d thought it would be.
My opinion? It’s tough a call. I’m speaking as both a mother, an ex-teenager and a writer who’s tackling this same issue in my own YA. Doctorow points out, teens DO have sex, they DO take drugs, they DO make wrong choices. Also, his book is geared towards 17+ year olds. Problem is, in the YAspectrum, kids usually “read up.” IOW, 17+ year olds usually want to read adult fiction. While a 17+ book has more appeal for tweens and 16 year olds. That’s where my own dilemma begins. Realism vs. Unreality. How responsible are we for the minds of our readers? I’d say we are very responsible, but by the same token, we know what happens in real life and teens aren’t stupid. They live this stuff every day. But I’m also a mom, which gives me a completely different perspective, especially when I read articles like this one. Long story short, I’m of two minds (The artist vs. The mother of three), soooooo what’s a writer to do?
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2. FIRELIGHT
Speaking of YA novels, SNL did a parody of Twilight. It’s kinda cute.
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3. THE TRACKS OF MY TEARS
As I mentioned last week, Amie sent me a copy of Rainwater, by Sandra Brown and I also bought a copy of the audio book. So when I got tired of reading, I’d listen to the CD and vice versa. Anyway, I finished the book this weekend and let me tell you, it was a rough ride! Oh, and did I mention Amie sent tissues in the package with the Rainwater logo on them? I guess she figured I would need them and she was right. I rarely cry over books, but Brown weaved such a compelling
story with real-to-the-touch sympathetic characters that it was impossible not to have an emotional reaction. I can’t tell you what made me cry because I’d spoil it for those of you who may want to read the story, but it is a tearjerker in the truest sense of the word. It wasn’t all bad though because the Epilogue was kinda upbeat and had a feel-good twist to it. Brown has penned a real winner here, and it’s unlike anything I’ve ever read from her. And I’ve read all her books.
To date, this is the first time she’s made me cry.
When was the last time a book actually made you reach for a Kleenex? And what book was it?
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4. NEED A GOOD LAUGH?
Look no further.
5. HARLEQUIN GOES DIGITAL
Carina Press is now up and running and Angela James has taken the helm. Check out the spread!
* Romance
* Science Fiction, Fantasy, Futuristic
* Erotica
* Mystery
* Thrillers
* Horror
* Family Saga
* Women’s Fiction
* Choose Your Own Adventure
* Previously Released Material
This looks rather interesting too:
Romance and Erotic Romance
We are seeking submissions in all subgenres and all levels of sensuality. We welcome everything from the very sweet to the incredibly sexy, featuring couples (or multiples) from all walks of life and sexual orientation, including same-sex romances. Romances should focus on the development of the relationship, as well as external and internal conflict; the heat level should be appropriate to the book and enhance the story, and the primary relationship in the book should offer a happily ever after (HEA) or happily for now in an emotionally satisfying manner.
They DON’T offer advances, so what’s RWA have to say about that? Hmmmmm. Inquiring minds and whatnot ….. Knowing them, they’ll probably keep Harlequin on the suburbs list, and stick Carina Press in their non-subsidy/non-vanity ghetto. BTW, I think the designations are stooopid. If a publisher is legit enough for RWA to list on their website, then the distinctions are really silly.
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6. THINKING ABOUT WRITING A SERIES
I thought this was interesting because I was seriously leaning towards doing a second book based on the one I’m writing now, starring a character who seems to be screaming for his own story. That is until I came across this on an agent’s blog:
[O]ne of the most common questions I’m asked as an agent is this one, roughly paraphrased:
“I have written a wonderful book. It is the first in a series of X books (where X>=3), and I am now shopping it around to agents. Should I write Book 2 in the series?”
Now that’s all well and good. As a reader, I love big, fat series. As an agent, not as much. And here’s why: if I can’t sell the first book in your series, then I’m not going to be able to sell books 2 through X for you. So you’re going to have spent however many months of your life writing the next three books in your series, and I’m going to have to tell you to write them off as practice.
So I guess it’s best to get the first one sold before you start on the next? Or maybe you should just do a very good outline before diving into the novel. What do you think?
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7. TO PDA OR NOT TO PDA
I found a funny video on the Samhain blog about PDA etiquette. Have you ever been in a situation where two people are PDAing in your face? Does it bother you or do you just smile and silently wish them well? I remember one time at the mall this guy had a girl in his lap in the food court and he had his hand on her breast, fondling her while they were deep throating each other. I’m not a prude or anything, but there were kids around—namely my son!
What’s the weirdest, funniest or most disturbing PDA you’ve witnessed? Are you a PDA type of person?
Dating Humor:
How To Make Public Displays Of Affection
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8. FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!
All courtesy of The Fail Blog:
Raine
November 11th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
1) Unless I’m mistaken, it isn’t the first book ever written about a 17-year old youth (or girl, for that matter) having sex. Although I certainly understand the authoritative concern, are we seriously condoning censorship of an author who’s writing about what kids of that age really do?
3) I don’t do tearjerkers. I have a sucky day job for that.
5) Doesn’t everybody think the distinctions are stooopid? Swear, I believe in RWA thinks they’re dumb. They just came up with something that’d halfway hold water as an excuse–and it worked. And btw, it does seem as if Carina is being billed almost as a separate entity already (although I do like their plan to accept more than just romance–yay).
6) This is interesting, because I’m writing one that’ll have to be a two, possibly three book series. Can’t get it all in one.
And I fell into this with a series about sisters with paranormal talents a few years back. Wrote the first, started the second and third. Am I sorry I did it? No. They helped me nail down a couple of things in the first one I might’ve missed, and no writing is a waste (and I still hope to revise them one day).
And if I’m going to tell myself the book I’m currently writing will sell (which I’m trying to do), don’t I want to have a jump on the next one? So do I plan to have the second one underway, or at least one hellified outline while I shop the first? You betcha.
Amie Stuart
November 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
>>Is the WIP actually working?
I’m sure this will come as no surprise to you but I have too much plot so the wip is stymied though Holly isn’t near as stymied about it as I am LOL
As far as Doctorow–Little Brother also had sex in it. Big fricken Deal! At 15 I was reading Johanna Lindsay, VC Andrews and Sidney Sheldon….again big deal. Esp since it’s a futuristic’ish story.
Yes I have children, but I also believe it is a parent’s job to a) censor their child and b) instill a sense of personal responsibility in their child including when it comes to the issue of sex and have told my own son repeatedly, I’d rather have you tell me you need condoms than have you tell me you need money to pay your child support (that said, I’ve also told him why I hope he’ll wait).
Talk about parent fail in that last photo is that child standing next to a DICK CAKE??
gwen hayes
November 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
1. As a mother and a YA writer, I know that kids have sex and beer. My responsibility to keeping it real is to actually–keep it real. If my characters end up in bed or drunk, I try to show the consequences. Not so much a PSA, but real consequences. If my characters drink, they will make stupid mistakes, sometimes ones they can’t fix. If they have sex, they don’t get off (pardon pun) free of internal changes either. It’s not just about pregnancy and STDs–I force them to deal with the awkwardness, the insecurity, the loss of innocence etc.
8. The CAKE! omG
Amie Stuart
November 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
RE: Series…sad but wise advice. Unless you’re content to epub or something and in YA I’m not sure there’s money in epubbing
Not to say DONT plan a series, but once you finish that first book, I gotta go with, go write something different.
I wish Carina all the luck in the world and no comment on RWA LOL
BernardL
November 12th, 2009 at 11:23 am
I’m with Raine on tear jerkers although my day job’s not sucky. There’s enough real life in the trail of tears to make me avoid fictional ones. Thanks for the new publishing link. I have five novels done I could write sequels to in a heartbeat. Since I haven’t sold any of them I think I’ll stick with writing new stuff.
Dennie ~
November 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
#1 not having read the book, I guess it would matter how he tackles the “afrermath”. The ones who are shock he talks back to his elders must not have kids.
I don’t read tearjerkers. sorry
for RWA there is a board meeting either this weekend or next, so it will be interesting to see what comes out of. My kid will be reading Animal Farm soon and I can’t help thinking of “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
on the sequeals/series, to me it depends on if it’s taking away from something else. I just finished a book that I’ll be shopping around. I’d like it to be a series, but you never know. I’m not working on anything else (have no ideas simmering) so I started book 2 for it. If something else good came along, I’d put it aside–but I figure I’m still honing my craft while working on 2 so it’s not wasting my time.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I don’t condone censorship because as a writer, I don’t want to be told what I can and cannot write about. On the other hand, I am a mom who’s also a strong believer in informed consent. That means, if I buy a YA book for my son, I’d like to know the contents before I purchase it. I don’t want him reading about sex. Or drugs and drinking. Am I stopping the author from writing about it? No. But as a parent I have a right to know the contents. I think the best compromise would be if YA books get labeled like movies and TV. If a YA novel contains sexual situations, then I’d like to know.
In my own YA I have a semi-love scene (they stop). My 17-year-old hero also drinks and even admits to getting wasted on occasion. If my book would ever get published, I wouldn’t mind having a label on it. So if a parent were to write me a little nasty letter, I could say, well, you were warned.
Re: RWA, I’ve since run out of patience with their machinations. It’s absurd and they’ve lost a GREAT deal of respect from me. It’s one thing to discriminate against e-pubbed writers and e-publishers, it’s quite another to try and insult my intelligence with a stooopid excuse about wanting to protect me. Um, NO. I’m a grown-@$$ woman with a brain. I don’t take too kindly to Big Brother/Sister stuff.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Yes I have children, but I also believe it is a parent’s job to a) censor their child
Agreed. My only thing is I want to know what’s in the book. I’m not for hobbling a writer, but I do wish they’d start labeling these books in terms of age-appropriateness. If there’s drug use or sexual situations in a book, they’d save themselves a lot of angst if the books were appropriately labeled. Then if a parent has a complaint, the author could write back that if they’d taken a minute to look at the info on the book (a rating system or something) they would’ve known from the get-go what was in it.
And yes that is an …. um … phallic symbol on the cake.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Gwen, that’s a very good POV you’ve got. I like having the characters stay real and true to form, yet also showing what happens with the choices they make.
Re, The cake. Yeah, that’s pretty bloody awful, isn’t it? I keep asking myself what kind of situation was it where a penis cake ended up in a photo of a little girl’s birthday party?
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I’m definitely going to write something different. I think the most I would do is an outline maybe, but not much else.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Wow. Nobody wants to read tearjerkers here. Not ONE person. You guys are really missing out on a good book though. But I do see your point, Bernard. There’s enough heartache in the real world.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Yeah, the aftermath is the key. He seems to have handled it well gauging from his description with the gf handing the guy the condom. I also like the fact that he was realistic about how the character felt afterwards in that it wasn’t what he expected.
Re RWA … that Animal Farm quote should be their friggen motto. They should plaster it on the front page of their website because it describes them to a T.
Lynn
November 12th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
How responsible are we for the minds of our readers?
Until we become precognitive global telepaths, I don’t think we can be responsible for anyone’s mind but our own. I also don’t believe I have the right to violate someone else’s Constitutional rights just because they wrote something I disliked or didn’t personally approve of. I expect the same courtesy, but that’s me.
As a parent, I’ve never practiced much in the way of censorship. When the kids were little I guided their choices most of the time via gift books and suggestions for school assignments, but other times I let them choose on their own. Part of the fun of going to a bookstore was letting them browse and discover things on their own. 99.9% of the time they gravitated toward kid-friendly nonfiction, so the issue of “should I let them read that?” really never came up.
Today my kids are reading a lot more fiction, and I do read pretty much everything my teenagers read so I can stay informed as to what’s on their shelves. I’m not an enormous fan of Manga, and some of it seems ridiculously violent (and silly) but my kids like it so I read it. I have prescreened some books I’ve felt might be intense or graphic, so that I might discuss with the kids my concerns before I let them read them. Stephenie Meyer’s “The Host” was billed as an adult market novel, for example, so when my daughter asked me to buy it for her I read it first (and it was basically YA dressed up as adult fiction, so no big deal there.)
Sexual content hasn’t been an issue. I don’t think you should march it out in front of kids, but neither should you pretend it doesn’t exist. We’ve always taken the position of being open and honest about sex so we could educate them properly, and we’ve taught them that sex is natural, but in age-appropriate increments. They’ve always come to us with questions because we’ve answered them instead of freaking out. We’ve also had talks about sexual behavior and responsibility as they’ve gotten older. This is a tough issue for any parent, and everyone has different opinions on it, but I think honesty is better than denial any day of the week.
Trying to shelter kids from knowledge of real world experiences is like trying to empty the Atlantic Ocean with a teaspoon; you simply can’t do it. It’s more important to me to keep informed as to what they’re reading, and keep the lines of communication open and friendly so that if they do read something that upsets them, we can talk about it.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
In my view, it’s not so much violating a person’s rights as it is “informed consent” for me as a parent. I don’t think the author should be told what he can and cannot write because I’m a writer too. In fact, in my YA my hero drinks (off scene) and has a close call (sexually) with the girl he’s in love with. They don’t go all the way but they get close.
As a writer, I don’t want anybody telling me to censor anything. As a parent I’d like to know what’s in a YA book before I let my son read it. I think a great compromise would be a rating system where a book’s contents is given a symbol or some letters and numbers to let a parent know if a book has sexual situations or drugs and drinking.
I don’t expose my son to certain channels in my home because I don’t think he’s old enough yet. There’s enough crap coming through my cable providers that keeps me busy blocking channels and shows. Therefore, if book publishers would set up a rating system for YA books, it would make my job as a mom (and a writer) soooooo much easier.
As a parent, that’s my prerogative to censor/review everything that my child is exposed to, and as a writer, it’s also my prerogative to write my characters as realistically as possible. Publishers need to consider the happy medium of a rating system. If they had one then that poor writer who got all those nasty emails and letters wouldn’t be going through the crap he’s going through now.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
A blow job scene? Was it graphic or did they gloss over it? Wow. I don’t think I’d even have the balls to write one of those in a YA. LOL
Re: Steele’s Fine Things, what was that about anyway? What made you cry?
In Brown’s book, the reader is told pretty early on that this wouldn’t be a poetry and kisses ending, so we had a lot of time to prepare for the inevitability. I think what really got me was the unfairness of it all in terms of the characters involved. That’s what was so unsettling, which is basically how life is.
Rainwater is definitely on my keeper shelf, though I don’t know if I’ll ever read it again because of the emotional rollercoaster ride.
Melissa Blue
November 12th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
1. I bought my DD Marked by PC/Kristin Cast, because a friend of mine told me her girls loved the series. Before my daughter started to read it I asked my friend “is it ‘safe’” (you know for virgin eyes and all that) The book had a blow job scene in it. I read it and then had to break the news to my daughter she wouldn’t be reading it for another three years.
I think I would have had less of an issue with the book if the scene was off stage, but you got a play by play. It wasn’t showing how to have sex responsibly. Matter of fact it was rape of a man if you ask me. Another thing is she’s not ready to read edgy or realistic. She still think it’s gross when two people kiss. So I guess I don’t fall on the side of Mom or Writer, but is the kid ready? Is the kid mature enough to process the information without trauma.
Lastly, the author showed the 17 year old girl giving the boy a condom. The girl taking a responsibility of her own protection and from the sounds of it the boy not trying to talk her out of it. I’d rather have that example any day.
2. I prefer tears of joy. Lani Diane Rich’s Little Ray of Sunshine did that for me. Any other type of tears… Most of everyone denounces Danielle Steel, but she was my first taste of any kind of romances. Fine Things, well, I cried through 3/4 of that book. It was from a male POV and I swear it’s scarred me for life. Eric Jerome Dickey. Good Gawd that man can weave a tale. I got so emotional when my mother and I listened to The Other Woman on c.d. Overall, I try to stay away from reads like that. Same thing with movies. I love Forrest Gump. It’s a great movie, but I can’t watch it every day. I have to be in one of those strange moods where I feel like crying buckets.
I know I may be missing on a whole lot of good fiction, but reading books like that are an emotional/physical drain.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Okay, that’s a little too far. I’ve mentioned sex in my book but to see something like that in a book geared for tweens … Ummmm NO! My baby boy won’t be reading it either.
Re: Fine Things. I’m trying to remember if I saw this as a movie because the plot sounds awfully familiar. I wonder if this was made into a film. I think I may have seen it.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Regarding too much plot ….. you still didn’t tell me what you want me to look for in the chapters you sent me.
Also, you’re stymied but Holly’s not? So does she know what direction she wants you to take it?
Melissa Blue
November 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
The heroine was wondering the halls and then came across two people. A girl was on her knees in front of a boy, with his pants unzipped. The boy kept pushing her away, but the girl kept right on. I’d have to find my copy to see the level of graphic. I do recall the girl either biting him on the thigh or digging her nails into his thigh. So, yes, he was exposed. The heroine later mentions said blow job. I could imagine my life for the next six months being asked, “What’s a blow job again?”
Um, no.
Fine Things put me through the ringer because the hero just couldn’t get a freaking break. I’d attach myself to a possible heroine and then things would end badly. One possible heroine died of cancer. They were perfect for each other. So by the end of the book where he finally gets his HEA I was so happy for him. So, 3/4s of the book I grieved with the hero, which makes it an incredible book because I was invested in the story.
Melissa Blue
November 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Yup. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099574/
And if it had not been for the scene and the later reference I wouldn’t have minded my DD reading the book. It’s a good read.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Frankly, I have three kids and there aren’t enough hours in the day for me to personally screen everything that comes into my house. That includes TV programs, DVDs and Books, which is why I appreciate the TV chip, cable passwords and channel/program blocking as well as the rating system for TV and DVDs.
As for books, again, like most parents, my time is limited, therefore, I don’t want to have to read every YA/children’s book that comes into my house. I shouldn’t have to. I don’t see a problem labeling a YA book that has sexual situations or drug use in it. I don’t mind book labels for kids any more than I mind movie ratings, but that’s just me.
Tanya
November 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Okay, I was wrong, I haven’t seen it, but now you’ve got me curious so I’m going to put it in my Netflix Queue.
Re: The book–I can’t imagine these kids standing/kneeling in a public hallway doing this! Please don’t tell me this was in a high school. lol
Lynn
November 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
As a parent I’d like to know what’s in a YA book before I let my son read it.
That’s why I screen any book I have concerns about by reading it before my kids read it. By reading it, I know exactly what’s in it versus depending on someone else’s opinion of the material, and the authors don’t have to be subjected to labeling that may or may not be accurate. Everyone wins.
Amie Stuart
November 13th, 2009 at 7:05 am
TO play devil’s advocate: Why can’t the parents just read what their children are reading? Or at least check it out? Why should we label YA and not Romance? (because I’ve also heard arguments (mostly in RWA) about labeling romance for heat levels–though Kensington DOES label their Aphro books!).
I know the age of the child does come into play but at the same time, I think of what I was reading at that age and while there was no drugs, no cutting, etc a) there was plenty of sex–hello Rosemary Rodgers? Hello Jacquelane Suzanne (sp?)–which did have drugs in it so I take that back. I also tend to read a lot of fantasy/paranormal YA where there is little if any sex, drugs etc. There WAS/IS a sex scene in Kristen Cashore’s Graceling….I handed it to my son and never once thought about the sex (he’s 13) because it’s very soft-focus/not graphic.
All that said, while kids do read UP, I think you have to assume that anything labeled 14+ could have sex etc in it and proceed accordingly.
Amie Stuart
November 13th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Will email you later LOL
Amie Stuart
November 13th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Tearjerkers…..The Help made me cry but funny enough it wasn’t until I read the fricken acknowledgment that I cried! LOL I dont mind tear-jerkers as long as I kinda know it’s coming and see it’s coming.
Funny enough two tv shows that recently made me cry: Sons of Anarchy–in case anyone watches I won’t post a spoiler– and Glee (because a character did some stuff that was very VERY out of character for her).
Tanya
November 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Re: Labels — See my comment to Lynn. Long story short, I don’t have a problem with them, especially in YA because as a parent, there is just so much stuff coming at me from the radio, Network TV, Cable, School!, and books that screening everything is impossible. Besides, the way I feel, I shouldn’t have to screen a book geared toward children. If I had to read every book that comes into my house, I’d never have time for anything else.
Tanya
November 13th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I’ve been hearing so much about this book (The Help). The buzz is incredible. Is it really all that?
AmieStuart
November 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
8. You see, they decided to combine mama’s bachelorette party and little Teena’s birthday party into one huge-azz shindig!
AmieStuart
November 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Uh Yeah…it totally is. And I think it’s for two reasons…
1. It stays with you long after you’re done.
2. It encompasses a part of our history that they don’t REALLY teach. They never taught it when I was in HS. So it’s a time-period that really fascinates me (for many reasons).
At least that’s my take. LOL
AmieStuart
November 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Tanya it was in a paranormal hs. I dont think the series is really geared toward tweens. FWIW I’ve read the first three or four books and they’re really good (though the ‘series recap’ is handled a bit rough in books two and three).
Tanya
November 13th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Only you, Amie. Only you….
Tanya
November 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I tell you, girl, you keep me busy. Between all the books you send me and your recommendations, I don’t have much time for anything!!! Let alone writing.
Tanya
November 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Oh, okay. A paranormal BJ. Yeah, that explains everything.