Just another damn group blog!
We green bin the organic matter and blue bin the paper, plastic, glass. Buy the big 5 liter bottle water instead of the case of 24 500ml bottles, and turn off the water while we brush our teeth. But how about writing? Do you re-use, renew, recycle there?
I know I do.
It usually goes something like this:.
I’m revising and revising and revising. Why am I wasting using so much energy on making this one damn scene work? Because I luuuuurve it. It’s my babeee! A level of writing brilliance the likes of which I have never achieved before!!
And it’s got to go.
It doesn’t work, doesn’t belong in the current work. So I cut and save it in a file, because I can’t just delete it as if it’s radiance had never borne my genius to the page.
::coughcoughhackhack:::
Then one day I’m working on another opus, and I remember that bit of shinny, and think, Hey, I can make it work in this ms.  Dutifully I copy and paste my old love into the new ms.
And I’m revising, and revising, and revising, and editing, and deleting, and by the time I’m done, there’s maybe one sentence left of the original.
#recyclefail.
Or is it?
The original deleted scene or bit of dialogue was still a jumping off point that resulted in something concrete that was a keeper. To be honest I rarely do this anymore. The original scene was for those characters/that story, even if it ultimately didn’t work.
Here’s another example: Every once and awhile I come across a bit of stage business, or description that makes me do a double-take. It sounds uncomfortably too familiar. That’s because I’m repeating myself. Hero A in this mss, is wearing the exact same outfit that Hero B in another mss wore. Heroine C moves in the exactly described—almost word for word—way as Heroine D.  It’s funny because most of the time it doesn’t jump out at me until the umpteenth reading/revising. It’s not funny because it always leaves me with an icky feeling in my gut. Is my creativity or vocabulary so limited that I’m already repeating myself with barely half a dozen unfinished manuscripts under my belt?
Definitely #recycle fail.
I’ve heard readers talk about writers repeating themselves; how all of best-selling Author A’s love-scenes read like they’re from a master blueprint, etc., so I take small comfort that I’m not alone in this.
Am I?
*gulp*
vanessa jaye
November 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Charlene! You commented!
I thought I’d picked a real stinker of a topic.
Or I really was the only one doing both of those things.
I think I have better luck using deleted characters/ideas in something new, than I do scenes/dialogue. It always works out that after editing the hell out of the dialogue/scene to make it fit the new story (and to bring it up to my current writing level), there’s precious little of the original left.
Although, if I used that scene/dialogue as a jumping off point, I can see the possibilities there.
On the repeats: Definitely keep yourself open to new stimulations re reading other media/entertainment, life experiences. I think i do that right now. so not sure what causes the doppleganger descriptions. Maybe I’m reading too much into it? It tends to be a couple of throw away lines, but it still kinda freaks me out, especially because I never see it right away.
vanessa jaye
November 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I pick “ideas†from the non-pubbed stuff I have. I don’t know that I have copied a scene straight out–not for lack of trying, but usually it’s not quite the right fit, so I paraphrase until it fits (and then will have to re-do that book if I ever get around to finishing it).
Exactly.
I just threw the lovescene example out there because there’d been some chatter about a month ago on another site/forum about an author (I don’t read) where every single scene in every book pretty much went the same way/same acts/same order of acts/same reactions. I think peeps even knew page numbers. lol.
Charlene Teglia
November 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I’ll recycle scenes, characters, ideas that don’t get used in whatever I’d intended originally. It will end up morphing into something entirely different.
On repetition; your brain is producing the work, so it’s all coming from the same source. Best thing is to keep lots of varied input in your life so there’s always new source material to draw on.
Dennie ~
November 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I pick “ideas” from the non-pubbed stuff I have. I don’t know that I have copied a scene straight out–not for lack of trying, but usually it’s not quite the right fit, so I paraphrase until it fits (and then will have to re-do that book if I ever get around to finishing it).
I hope my sex scenes aren’t so cookie cutter from one book to the next, but I don’t know–in my mind they’re different folks so the vibe is different which (to me) makes the scene different.
vanessa jaye
November 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
But I can’t consciously think of any time I’ve shifted a snippet from one work to another. Not that I NEVER have, I just can’t think of a time
It’s not something I do so deliberately in “current” time(because I only work on one manuscript at a time). But I have been in the middle of writing one story, stopped to think about what I want to happen next in the story and I’ll remember a deleted scene from another book that might work. Now that I think about it, it doesn’t happen much with dialogue. Dialogue tends to be shifted within the same mss. I’ll cut it, the figure that it’d be perfect in another scene in the same book.
there’s only so many ways to describe someone. Or better, a pair of jeans and a t-shirt
Especially if there’s an article of clothing you find particularly appealing/sexy/comfortable. Chances are all your h/H will show up some version of that outfit.
Melissa Blue
November 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I’ve mined for gold from WIPS that will never see the light of day. I don’t think I’ve ever lifted verbatim, but I have taken the gist of a scene, a conflict and used it elsewhere. On some level I do know most sex scenes are about the woman being dominated i.e. letting the woman in that vulnerable position allow herself to be feminine. But I think that speaks more to the theme I’m drawn to with my heroines–I have to control everything. I don’t want to be weak. A big difference between weak and vulnerable.
Oh, and the repeating myself thing–one of my fears as a writer. Just like I attack adverbs, words I repeat, I go after lines or character quirks I’ve used before.
Great post.
vanessa jaye
November 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
don’t think I’ve ever lifted verbatim, but I have taken the gist of a scene, a conflict and used it elsewhere.
I start with verbatim (literally copy and paste the delted bit into the current wip) and end up with the gist. If that.
But you’re talking ‘theme’ here. For some writers, their whole body of work repeats/explores certain themes. But there’s a problem if your readers now that the first kiss will happen on Xpage and it be ‘the hero steals a kiss/touches heroine’s breast, then she slaps him scene’. That’s a little too cookie cutter.
vanessa jaye
November 4th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Re themes: I was referring to this bit –
On some level I do know most sex scenes are about the woman being dominated i.e. letting the woman in that vulnerable position allow herself to be feminine.
cece
November 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
From the “Jumping off point” angle, no it’s not #recyclefail!
I don’t usually recycle stuff like what someone’s wearing but if a thought or bit of narrative feels important, I DO save it. It can’t hurt. But I can’t consciously think of any time I’ve shifted a snippet from one work to another. Not that I NEVER have, I just can’t think of a time. LOL
LOL@Doppleganger. You know, there’s only so many ways to describe someone. Or better, a pair of jeans and a t-shirt
Melissa Blue
November 4th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Ah, I see, which is why I agree with Charlene. Refilling that well can spread your writing style and how you approach scenes and craft characters.
Tanya
November 4th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
I try–I mean, REALLY try–to create different characters, especially heroes. Writing the same guy over and over again gets boring. My heroine’s on the other hand are more challenging. I don’t know why it’s easier for me to create different men. Maybe there’s something Freudian in that. Who knows?