September 18, 2008
Writing Partner Archetypes
The other day I started thinking about the people I’ve met during my writer’s journey, those I had the privilege (and sometimes, the misfortune) of working with. I’m talking a decade here. Many of their names are still in the forefront of my mind, while others I can’t even remember, but they all fall into basic “archetypes.”
So here they are. The good, the bad and the certifiable:
Starting out, I had a few Cheerleaders who were so nice and complimentary I never learned anything. They’d always praise my work, but there was never any meat in their critiques. The situation with my first Cheerleader got so bad that after a few months I couldn’t bring myself to send her anything else. I didn’t see the point.
Next came The Second-Guesser who’d slaved over the same manuscript for 4 years. FOUR YEARS. I was in a group at the time and she kept sending us the same three chapters. She was a sweet person and an excellent writer, but it got to the point where I couldn’t even recognize her voice anymore because the “group’s” input had diluted it.
Even worse, she had the distinction of encompassing two archetypes. Not only was she a Second-Guesser with her own work, she was a Minimalist (Read: Lazy Critiquer) with ours. This type of writing buddy provides little if any input on your WIP. Her comments are usually superficial at best. Stuff like, “Nice description,” and she may toss in an occasional smiley face or LOL, but that’s about it.
On the opposite end, there’s The Slash and Burner. The one I had didn’t know the meaning of the word tact. In fact, brutal honesty didn’t even begin to describe this chick. My second critique group dreaded sending her stuff because she would just rip it to shreds. Impeccable prose too. I still see her around the internet usually advertising for a crit partner.
Then there’s the straight-up Psycho. I’ve only had one, but that was more than enough. If you sent her a less than glowing critique, she’d send you the same chapter back, complete with her rebuttals on every comment–IN RED. Needless to say that relationship didn’t last too long.
I’ve also run into The Reorganizer. Never much help when it comes to plot or characterization, these partners feel compelled to rewrite every sentence or paragraph of whatever they’re critiquing. And most of their rewrites do nothing but change the order of what had been perfectly ordered words. The Punctuation Nazi is from the same family. While she may occasionally rewrite a sentence or two, her primary focus falls on those evil little commas and semi-colons. Oh, and conjunctions too.
Last, but certainly not least, we have The Godsend. I’ve been fortunate enough to have several of them. You know the types who can just look at something once and know exactly what’s wrong–and how to fix it? I love these women!
My first Godsend wrote lovely prose, published two or three books, then became very ill and dropped off the face of the map. I haven’t heard from her in years, but I think about her always. She basically taught me how to SEE when I write. I’ll forever be grateful to her.
I’ve since found a few more Godsends. One was a recent Golden Heart finalist who’s thisclose to getting published. Another just happens to be a fellow Chica blogger. I won’t name this person because I don’t want to stroke her ego embarrass her.
All in all, finding writers whose opinions you trust isn’t easy, which is why Godsends are a rare commodity.
So what’s your story? Who are some of the people you’ve met during your writing journey? Do they fall into any of the “archetypes” I’ve mentioned? Are you still in touch with most of them? Have some become fuzzy shadows in your mind? Do you have any inspiring or crazy stories to share?



I’ve been vewy, vewy careful about who I share the work with. I couldn’t deal with the ’slash and burn’ type–I’m too hard on myself as it is.
The first one I tried might fall into a “Huh?” category, I guess. She was VERY critical, and I mean wrote a LENGTHY comment, just on the fact that I mentioned Star Trek on the second page of a MS. She scolded me because I had no right to “take it for granted that the reader knew what Star Trek was.”
The only other one I can think of that didn’t work out was sort of a “Grim Reaper” thing. The woman had no sense of humor. None whatsoever. We only exchanged one chapter, and when she told me I was much too “irreverent”, we were pretty much done.
But I’ve had a Godsend or two myself.
And I must admit, I’m a bit of a comma Nazi myself. But I’m in rehab for it, and really trying to do better.
My very first experience w/ a crit group was a large (30-50) group. It had many good points and many smack yourself in the head points.
I learned a lot from the group in terms of what to do and what not to do.
I have very little experience w/ a one on one basis. But I have nbeen uber lucky there (though I have completely lost touch w/ one.
I have FAR too many stories.
I think I’ve had a run in or two with all the types you’ve metioned (but Thank GOD for the Godsends, a couple of who are fellow chicas.
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I’ve also met the Encylopedia– the criter who knows the most indepth minutia about some thing (setting, job, era, whatever) and will give you a lesson/lecture or two on such, while completely ignoring your request to read specifically for the Hero’s lack of strong motivation in the third scene of chapter 2. This person also gets their panties in a huge wad about these point of expertise and often their reading experiences are RUINED!!!!!! over one tiny inconsequential thing. The incessant pontification will bore da hell out of you eventually and you’ll scram.
There’s also the SOAP Bubble cp, who falls apart if you don’t handle them with kid gloves. This is the person you second-guess yourself over constantly, carefully crafting your feedback to give the least offense, wondering if it’ll be overkill to mention this point or that. Then when you send crit back, she completely ignores you and doesn’t reply to emails afterwards. Maybe if you’re lucky she’ll tell you you hurt her feelings and was unnecessarily cruel in your critique of her work, but that’s probably the last missive you’ll recieve from her before your association is summarily terminated. She’s also usually a lazy critter. So no loss.
There’s also the Standup. She gives a damn good crit…. when she can be bothered. ie, don’t depend on her, cause most likely she’ll stand you up. Yet you can’t quit her because of those wonderful crits. Real life demands aside–we all have them and we’ve given our crit partners the courtsey of excusing ourselves in a timely manner from completing/doing a crit if we’re in a time cruch, but not this chick. She’ll string you along to the very last minute then bail on ya if you hear from her before your deadline at all.
Lastly, the One Size Too Small critter. Nothing wrong with her per se except she doesn’t fit you– she doesn’t really get your voice/style, doesn’t really connect to your hero/heroine. and while she might like/read the genre you write in, she doesn’t love it (and her crits show this). Oh, you’ll get a lot of good stuff from her re grammar, pacing, etc., but it’s an uneasy collaboration. Eventually you’ll tire of the question marks beside phrasing/jokes that everyone else seems to get, or the constant nickpicks on your H or h (which are clearly not a question of weaknesses, but preferences) and the partnerships ends. I think Raine’s Grim Reaper is another version of this type of critter.
Damn I just thought of another one and forgot it by the time I finished typing the above paragraph. lol. Great post!
Holy Sh*t! I think my comment is almost as long as your post. lol.
LOL! A very entertaining list, Tanya!
the Encylopedia– the criter who knows the most indepth minutia about some thing
YES!! I have run across a couple of those (remember the group having a 20 minute lecture on Canada goose {correct} versusCandian goose {incorrect–s’all I’m saying} and the author finally shouting, “I’m changing it to a damn duck!”)
“I’m changing it to a damn duck!”
LMAO!!
And Vanessa—you had MORE?!
Lol!
The first one I tried might fall into a “Huh?” category, I guess. She was VERY critical, and I mean wrote a LENGTHY comment, just on the fact that I mentioned Star Trek on the second page of a MS. She scolded me because I had no right to “take it for granted that the reader knew what Star Trek was.”
My very first experience w/ a crit group was a large (30-50) group. It had many good points and many smack yourself in the head points.
I learned a lot from the group in terms of what to do and what not to do.
Honey, that’s too many people for me. I think they’d've driven me mad. Too many cooks in that kitchen.
I’ve also met the Encylopedia– the criter who knows the most indepth minutia about some thing (setting, job, era, whatever) and will give you a lesson/lecture or two on such, while completely ignoring your request
This is too weird. I’ve never had an Encyclopedia critter, but like I told Raine, I’ve had way too many contest judges like this. And yes, they can’t possibly enjoy reading books because the pole up their butts makes them perennially uncomfortable. A critter like this would drive me to drink.
There’s also the SOAP Bubble cp, who falls apart if you don’t handle them with kid gloves.
OMG!!!! I forgot about her! I would send her a critique then I wouldn’t hear from her for a week or so, despite sending her follow-up emails, and when she finally came up for air, she’d give me an excuse about being away or sick or something. It got to the point where I pulled away. I couldn’t take the emotional crap.
There’s also the Standup. She gives a damn good crit…. when she can be bothered. ie, don’t depend on her, cause most likely she’ll stand you up.
Jaq, we had to have run into the same individuals! I had two Standups. I would send them stuff and they’d drop out of sight for MONTHS—damn my deadlines, damn the fact that I said I needed their help asap. And when they’d reappear it would be like nothing happened. One lady disappeared for close to six months and when she finally surfaced, she had the nerve to say she still had my partial and did I still need her to read it.
She did apologize about disappearing … you know, these things happen. This was a couple years ago but it still pisses me off when I think about it. I had a submission request and I really needed her, but she flaked out on me. I told her thanks but no thanks. I’d had enough.
Holy Sh*t! I think my comment is almost as long as your post. lol.
That’s because there are SO many archetypes. In fact I just remembered another one. I’ll call her the Fatal Attraction critter. This cp is insecure and gets mad if she finds out you’re “cheating on her.” LOL! I had a cp who would get her nose out of joint when I had other people read my stuff. Our relationship reminded me of those abusive boyfriend type of things. You know the guys you read about who sit outside your house just to see when you get home? Well, this chick would get all upset when I’d mention something another critter friend had recommended for me to do, or if I mentioned another critter in passing. She also had self-esteem issues and I found myself constantly trying to talk her down from emotional ledges. She’d say she was just kidding sometimes, but I knew better.
I also had a Plagiarist critter, who would steal things like characterizations and phrases from me and then have the nerve to send her stuff to me to critique. She stole my hero’s characterization, slapped on a new name and a new setting, as if I wouldn’t notice. She did this constantly until I finally had to drop her. I was so frustrated. I never confronted her because if I did I knew I’d go off.
LOL! A very entertaining list, Tanya!
Awww, come on, Bernard. Surely you’ve got a horror story or two to share!
“I’m changing it to a damn duck!”
Hell, I’ve way too man “duck” moments! Who needs the aggravation?!?
And Vanessa—you had MORE?!
Many cps have multiple archetypes. For instance, one of my cps was a combination of a Plagiarist, a SOAP Bubble and a Punctuation Nazi.
Punctuation Nazi, but I think I turn people into those after they read my work. And I’ve had one Godsend that came in and out of my life. But the one that just made me quit cp’s was when I needed a book read. An honest opinion. ASAP. She came back 3 weeks later with, “oh, I got busy, but it’s a great read!”
WTF? That’s not even something I could use for a cover quote.
Yet after seeing Vanessa’s reply, I’ve gotten off easy.
But the one that just made me quit cp’s was when I needed a book read. An honest opinion. ASAP. She came back 3 weeks later with, “oh, I got busy, but it’s a great read!”
ARGH! Honestly, I know people get busy, but I can’t see how people screw over their partners like this. If you tell somebody you’re going to look at something, then damn it, look at it! Be responsible. You know how this business is. Writers have deadlines so if you can’t help, let them know. Flaking out by disappearing is annoying as hell. I try to always let my partners know if I’m not available, or if I’m going to be late with something. Simply dropping out of sight when you have somebody waiting for a critique is F-ed up.
that’s too many people for me
try being one of oh maybe 3 romance writers in there… the looks alone helped me grow a spine–most of the people were really nice and I made great friends with a handful. Depsite the fact that most didn’t really “get” the stories I did get feed back that helped with the dynamics of the story rather than the plot.
But as with many things I “outgrew” them and I don’t mean that in a snarky-superiority way, it’s just that when you do move forward in your writing your needs change.
Depsite the fact that most didn’t really “get” the stories I did get feed back that helped with the dynamics of the story rather than the plot.
I have an old writing buddy who was in a mixed group. She said she learned a lot from them. While they weren’t much help with the romance aspect, they really helped her plug up a lot of plot holes.